Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Forum - Week 7 - John 3:16 and Revelations

An actual artist for the “Artist Talk”! Derek Pascoe is a renowned improvisatory
saxophonist, and we were lucky enough to have some Improv tips imparted for use in
our own performances, and perhaps in our very lives. Despite his obvious talent, he
had no qualms in saying he can be ‘wrong’ in his approaches to music, and seems to
have instigated a sponge-like attitude- literally absorbing various attitudes
towards improvisation from musical experiences. It was very engaging to have a
totally selfless professional musician present us with his ideals. A thought occurs-
perhaps this is the personality that improvisation breeds? I’m sure having to
respect other musician’s personal musical space during performances would eventually
spill over into other aspects of life, possibly even amalgamating into a total
respect for you fellow man. Derek said he is not a religious man, but when he plays
he feels something other than himself inside him, allowing the music to come from
some other place. Although I am not religious either, the power that ‘his’ talent
has had on his life and thus imparted to others is something to ponder through. Can
we be so self-absorbed to believe that existence is limited to perception? Perhaps
we are just maggots in a carcass, but our carcass is a vacuum filled with exploding
balls of hydrogen and helium. Difficult to prove either way, I suppose ‘faith’ comes
from picking a side. And if you don’t believe in aliens you are too shallow to talk
to.

Group 3 (?) was given the chance to jam with the man himself. After several topic
changes they reached a nice area of conversation, the most engaging being the
instrumental arguments occurring between the guitarist John “3:16” Delaney and
Derek. I gained a valuable perspective on improvisation from this session- it’s more
about what everyone else is playing than what you are playing. You can’t just jump
in to a scene because you haven’t played in a while, there must be an entry point.
Although theoretically there might never be, such is the nature of improvisation. I
guess you could say, “If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at
all.” Or even, “Better to be quiet and let people think you’re an idiot, than open
your mouth and prove it.”



Two Irishmen are standing at the bottom of a flagpole, when a blonde pulls up in her car. She gets
out and asks the men, "Why are you looking at that pole?” One of the Irishmen replies, "We're
trying to figure out how high this pole is so we know how much rope we need to hoist a flag, but
we have no idea how to measure it." The blonde declares, "Oh that's easy, just wait here." The
two Irishmen watch curiously as she removes a spanner and measuring tape from her car, and
proceeds to unscrew the pole, lay it down and measure it. "15 metres" stated the blonde proudly,
as she got back in her car and drove off. "Typical blonde," said one of the Irishmen, "We wanted
to know how high it is, not how long it is."

27 comments:

John said...

Very stylish photo editing there :-)

QUOTE: "Perhaps we are just maggots in a carcass, but our carcass is a vacuum filled with exploding
balls of hydrogen and helium."

Well if we're going to go that far into metaphysics, perhaps we really live in a multiple-carcass universe? Just be careful not to bump into your other self in a separate vacuum or you may disappear in a brilliant flash of white light. Actually, I don't think so after all.

Luke.Digance - Eclectic I said...

"A though occurs-
perhaps this is the personality that improvisation breeds?" Perhaps you meant "thought"?

I think any good musician, (or indeeed anyone looking to excell in their feild) needs to come to a place of humility in order to truly strive to achieve.

John said...

Guitar shredders were never humble and we achieve musical nirvana every time we play.

Ben said...

Multiple carcasses is not as preposterous as it sounds. How could we ever comprehend such a thing anyway. The human mind is built to filter out such infinite thoughts, otherwise we would have a 'mind-at-large' and would be stuck in thought until we die. Our mental limitations are a physical neccessity for our body to function sufficiently within the perceivable world, and I assume has come about through the million or so years we have evolved here. To a maggot in a carcass, does the rest of the world even matter? It's limited comprehension of the universe is all that it needs to survive, as is with all life on Earth. Except humans. We have the abilily to question our own existence, and I feel that believing our existence is absolute is a waste of this unique talent. If we accept all that we see as all that is, how are we any better than a maggot? Could our advanced psychlogical capabilities be for no reason? We are the only animal on this planet capable of comprehending our incomprehension. To people who deduce "There is nothing else"- go back to your carcass.

Ben said...

And thank you Luke, I will fix the dreadful mistake.
*slaps own face*

John said...

I don't think I've heard you talk so deeply before, Got Milk. I was quoting you all in fun of course, but if I were to write some serious comments about the Universe thing and what I really believe, I could go on for days!

David J Dowling said...

In my opinion (and it is only my opinion although it happens to be the most informed and accurate gathering of coherent thought in the universe) the pursuit of humility should be undertaken with caution. In many cases, achievements need to be made before the knowledge of when to exercise that humility can be accurately gauged – achievements that must often be realised through arrogant and stubborn self-importance. I think it’s good for aspiring and accomplished musicians (though no real musician would ever consider themselves completely accomplished) to invoke the demon of arrogance or selfish indulgence on a regular basis. Only through periodically letting your head disappear up your own arse can you accurately determine where your physical limitations are. In these moments of pure self indulgence, boundaries that have previously held back my technique and musicality have been partially and sometimes completely overcome. I don’t just mean when one is practicing or composing by themself either, sometimes it can be rewarding to let your ego take control during a group situation, you might just surprise yourself and your colleagues.

Humility in the context of group performance or genre specific composition certainly has its place, but I would advise anyone who will listen to me to ask themself the question: is my humility having an adverse effect on the evolution of my technique as a musician, performer and composer?

Everyone’s talent can be improved upon. If you constantly strive to be a better artist through painstaking self indulgent practice, your ability to express yourself when you do find your place in a given situation will undoubtedly be enhanced. On the flipside, if the moment an instrument or compositional tool is put in your hands you start asking yourself: what can I do with this that won’t sound pretentious, clichéd or out of place? You will often be well on your way to writing or improvising an unremarkable piece of music.

Don’t be afraid of what it is that you want to hear fellow musos, and don’t be afraid of inflicting it on others, put yourself out there – they’ll soon speak up if they don’t want to hear it, but at least you’ll have tried…

Of course, I am just as guilty as the next person of hiding in my comfort zone when it comes to improvisation and composition on many occasions, so I’m not suggesting I’m perfect in any way, but just do as I say not as I do…

Ben said...

"the most informed and accurate gathering of coherent thought in the universe"

Have you ever seen that Futurama where giant brains are roaming the universe learning every possible piece of knowledge, then making everyone dumb so no new knowledge would come to pass? I might lend it to you, as it's one of the best episodes- "The Day The Earth Stood Stupid".

Interesting points you have raised, I had not thought about instrumental masturbation in such a positive light. One downside of someone that's up their own arse is that not many people will actually say to them that they aren't as good as they think. Just like that guitarist I told you about that would be soloing when people were talking, I wanted to yell at him to stop f**ken wanking off, but I figured "Well, it's not like I'm gonna have to listen to it forever." He needed to be told, but no-one would. I guess my point is; you can't see how bad you are when you're head is up your arse.
(Wouldn't everything look shit? Sorry ;))

I think we're considering skill development and arrogance/self-importance as more symbiotic than they actually are. It may be an avenue of improvement and exploration, but it may be more of a 'different strokes for different folks' thing. Whatever works, basically. I don't think it is the magical 'unleash the beast' formula.

You are a good example of having the arrogance to do a divebomb, but the humility to shut up when I'm talking. It's a nice biodiversity that covers all bases, including skill exploration. I agree with you on preconception within composition- setting yourself boundaries is limiting your artistic outcome.

!!!VROCK!!! I'm so adding that to the blog. And you can thank Christian for my use of 'symbiotic'. He hasn't said it in a while though.

Ben said...

Oh by the way Intangent, the results of meeting yourself could create a cataclysmic time paradox in the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe. Of course that is worst-case scenario, the damage may be localised to our own galaxy.

Ben said...

Ironically, that Futurama stemmed from Fry going back in time. You see he is impervious to the giant brain's stupifying powers, which came about in another episode where the crew are watching a supernova explode at the same time as Fry puts aluminium foil in the microwave, and the clash of the two sends them back to 1947 where they crash land in Roswell. Anyway, Fry manages to have sex with his own grandmother, which leads him to become his own grandfather, but the universe went on as normal.

David J Dowling said...

I most certainly agree that people should be told to 'can it' if need be, but I also think no one should be afraid of putting themself in a situation where they will be told. How does one really know they've gone too far unless they've been told to shut the fuck up!? Racing car drivers don't get better by not having accidents, they smash car after car in the pursuit of knowledge regarding their own (and the cars) limitations.

In other matters, that sounds like a good episode, I'm looking forward to seeing it....

John said...

A time paradox? Great scott! Quick Marty.... hide the Delorian

Ben said...

I know, this is heavy...

John said...

Heavy? There's that word again... is there a gravitational problem in the 21st century or something?

Ben said...

Nobody calls me chicken....

Tyrell Blackburn said...

I think you're right David. It's good to cut sick on your instrument, but at the same time you must either remain aware of your place within the group, and/or at least be able to trust the other members to tell you to stfu. I guess this sort of environment is probably a bit "Zionistic" (thanks Ben) to hope for given the small time frame we've all had together, but it's all about being open with eachother. To be open not only verbally, but also musically. I guess it all comes down to egos, but I'm sounding a bit cliché now so I'll be quite before I bore myself to death.

Ben said...

*Yawn* Yeah Tyrell, stfu.

j/k, I agree. I suppose if there was ever an environment where we wouldn't be judged on instrumental proficiency it's EMU. The instrument music degree students are all such bitches, it's all about who's better and who's crap, at least here there's the possibility of being great on computers, which is entirely perceptual anyway. Yes, a run on sentence. It's too late at night to care. Luckily I'm not good enough at anything to show off successfully, so I don't have any of these issues. I suppose I pay myself out quite a bit, so feel free to tell me to cram it when I get annoying (which turns out is often to some people).

Following on from a previous conversation-
"its" (adj)
Used to indicate that something belongs or relates to something.
The park changed its policy.

You were indeed correct.


P.S. Real men stand in the rain...

David J Dowling said...

Why are we wasteing our time composing anyway when we could just call on synth and son? Look what you can do just by pressing a button - Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!Doof!

Luke.Digance - Eclectic I said...

Ahh that unleashes a whole new kettle of fish! Besides us 'educated' folks, will anyone actually appreciate the effort and sophistication of the computer style music we may end up (or at least I intend to.. when I'm good... if I get good..) create, compared to a shitty doof doof song thrown together in 2 seconds?

Probably not me thinks. Oh well I'm having fun.

Ben said...

As technology evolves I'm sure opinion will too. Just as we know the difference between good and bad computer music, the public should eventually become similarly acclimatised to the industry. It's a while off though...

Luke.Digance - Eclectic I said...

I just wanted to add another comment to see the counter go up.........

Ben said...

Same here. Like my latest Photoshoppery?

Luke.Digance - Eclectic I said...

It brought a tear to my eye...
thats 23 now.. I wonder if we can crack 100.. without having too many pointless posts that is.

Ben said...

A post being pointless is purely preference. Although alliteration is almost always awesome. Perhaps paid persuasion'll pacify picky people.

weimer said...

this is your 25th comment which intitles you to a free beer at the uni bar just ask them... also a free game at pool where you get dominated by the supreme pool champion of the universe ... WEIMER

anyway enough of that realistic stuff

TAYLER HANSON

dude that's a guy

OH THROW ONE ON OLD JAKEYBOY

no dude that's a guy

OH OH GOD OH GOD
I HAVE ALL THESE MAGAZI... OH GOD OH GOD

GODAMNSHITHEBED

Ben said...

I LET you win pool... Bah, who am I kidding, I stink out loud. That snitzel was wicked though, or perhaps just the chef-ette. Is that what they like to be called? I imagine so. I reckon I'm gonna spend tomorrow blogging the CC & AA tasks that I have actually done. It would be a shame to have wasted time on actual work, considering how much time I waste on 'extracurricular' activities.

Ben said...

Jake, are you implying that Rosie O'Donnell can't drive?